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... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:44 am
by jhmartin
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:58 am
by patriot
Personally, the Olympics has become so corrupt and so politicized it should end and each sport should just manage their own World championship. I stopped watching it years ago.
Mark
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:50 pm
by hundert
why is it not possible to have several people (countries) share the same probe? This way they will not get lost or exchanged with a clean blood. Sounds like a failure of WADA to me and that it now tries to put blame on others.
Also, what they are accused of can't happen in Rio, because these Olympics are not in Russia, but in Rio. They can't mess with the probes at all.
The decision sounds political to me.
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:55 pm
by jhmartin
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/ ... ulation-of
https://www.olympic.org/news/statement- ... ada-report
Looks like we'll know tomorrow after the IOC considers the report that states:
Today’s 103-page Report outlines the following key findings that meet the standard of beyond reasonable doubt:
*** The Moscow laboratory operated, for the protection of doped Russian athletes, within a State-dictated failsafe system, described in the Report as the Disappearing Positive Methodology.
*** The Sochi laboratory operated a unique sample swapping methodology to enable doped Russian athletes to compete at the Games.
*** The Ministry of Sport directed, controlled and oversaw the manipulation of athletes’ analytical results and sample swapping, with the active participation and assistance of the Federal Security Service (FSB); the Center of Sports Preparation of National Teams of Russia (CSP); and, both Moscow and Sochi laboratories.
OUCH!
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:09 pm
by hundert
yes, it's a story of one guy apparently, other than that, I could've come up with it. The US' wasn't even stripped of its 2004 relay Olympic medal after they found one athlete (name Cox) used doping. Or even better, a tiny country Austria was number 1 doping user in the last couple of Olympics. You don't hear much about it... Most of them got a lifetime ban from Olympics.
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:22 pm
by jhmartin
Don't get me wrong ... and I hope I don't come across as gloating ... there is a path for the "honest athletes", but it looks to be a high hill to climb to compete under the neutral Olympic flag:
Furthermore, any exceptional entry of a Russian athlete should be considered by the IOC and IPC for participation under a neutral flag and in accordance with very strict criteria.
I would hope that even though "strict criteria" be met, that the procedure to compete under those criteria be defined and athletes processed quickly.
It's a frickin' mess.....
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:54 pm
by hundert
It makes no sense, it's still the same people form the same country. The attack is directed at Russia, not athletes, more proof is not needed. You carry Russian flag, you're not welcome, change the flag and come as you please.
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:09 pm
by jhmartin
No .... I don't think that's what is said.
What is disconcerting is that when you get into the report ... there are a few on the "Disappearing Positives" graph from shooting. Don't know if that is Biathalon or a summer sport .....
Hmmm ... see that the DPs for shooting are lumped into Modern Pentathalon as well ... but no breakouts.
Re: ... and it appears to get nastier
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:25 pm
by jhmartin
Wait until Thursday then .....
Statement of the Executive Board of the International Olympic Committee on the WADA Independent Person Report
https://www.olympic.org/news/statement- ... son-report
Reading the full report, and especially the "exhibit A" is infuriating.
You can also see their frustration as "hundert" alludes to in the Exhibit A- Section 1 "Legacy of the past" of the "discriminatory" re-testing of only Russia, Ukraine and Belarus of Athens to London samples.
FULL REPORT:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com ... final3.pdf
While it appears that the vast majority of Athletes are clean, there is still a long way to go to catch the few cheaters.