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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:28 pm 
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Can some of our experts give me an expert commentary on the Crosman Challenger Sporter Air Rifle?

I am not wild about the Air Tube, not being replaceable.

What do you think of the AdJustments, Accuracy, repair record, Sights, etc.

Is there another Rifle that a shooter can start with and transfer to Precision at a later time?

Can a Anschutz Club Air Rifle be used for Sporter?

Thank you in advance....


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:40 pm 
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Best sporter rifle... hands down.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:11 pm 
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rtucker6508 wrote:
Best sporter rifle... hands down.
Let me correct this statement:
Best low-cost precision rifle .... the CMP only pushes it as a sporter!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:29 am 
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The British made Air Arms S400 MPR Sporter is making great inroads into teenage sporter and "sprint" shooting in UK. Based on the rugged S400 engine modified to 6 ft lbs with rmovable cylinder it is a great option. Add 30mm butt spacers and it is full adult size.
(I only assume it complies with US sporter rules however).

https://www.air-arms.co.uk/uncategorize ... bby-warren

https://www.targetsprint.com


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:47 pm 
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We've been talking about CMP 3-P Air Sporter rifles.
The MPRs are not legal for that event.

The S/T200 (depending on the vendor) Sporters are legal and I have a few of those and some of the older XSV-40's (same basis).
They are fine guns, but again CMP discriminates against the more modern MPRs because of cost.
The S200 guns are fine CMP sporters, but the are kinda light and you have to add weight. We use them almost exclusively for our younger shooters.

Crosman is able to keep the gun cost down due to the volume of guns they make and sell them as loss leaders to the JROTC cadet commands in the thousands. Without those sales, they would be far out of the Sporter $525 limit. Retail of the Challenger is about $650 with sights. The games Crosman is able to get away with ......


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:09 pm 
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Right! I found thr CMP rules now. Dont get much for 600 bucks! Quite close to the 3.4kg limit too.

Interesting that CMP Precision air rifle rules 4.4.5 and 4.4.7 address the "Palm rest " conundrum by utilizing ISSF rules but explaining the difference between palm rests and fore end risers in a way that ISSF have not managed to do.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:28 am 
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jhmartin wrote:
rtucker6508 wrote:
Best sporter rifle... hands down.
Let me correct this statement:
Best low-cost precision rifle .... the CMP only pushes it as a sporter!


Yes, what Mr Martin says!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:12 am 
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First off, almost all kids seem to love them over any other kind of sporter rifle.

If you are in the market for one, this is the best deal...
http://www.champchoice.com/store/Main.a ... em=CH2009S
They have a better rear diopter than the earlier ones and adjust like precision sights. The sights alone are $125.

But yes, it is certainly the best sporter air rifle available since the price has to stay under $600 and the trigger pull has to be more than 1½ pounds (most precision rifles probably cannot even be adjusted as high as 6 ounces).
Both my kids have been pretty successful and have had few good days of shooting 560+/600 and routinely shoot above 540/600.

My kids' JROTC rifle team has even been to some competitions that they actually outshoot the precision teams (and theoretically should've medaled!)
Here's one that comes to mind.
Check out the first place sporter team score and the precision scores...
https://www.orionresults.com/team/Match ... 68490508.0

As for some of the other questions, I haven't seen any maintenance issues with the 10 that get used daily at my kids' school other than the sear pin is rather fragile.
I broke two while de-gassing them for air travel and one broke during training, but they are a cheap ($6) fix and my kid fixed two of them after I showed him how to do the first one.
I saw one that got really hard to cock at a national competition (it was actually the national champion's gun and had probably had a bazillion pellets put through it), but I researched it out of curiosity later on an found the fix.
Other than that, I've never seen any other maintenance issues out of hundreds I've seen shot.

And they are fairly adjustable, but sometimes it doesn't matter.
It wasn't until we were at a national championship at the end of my son's second year of shooting when he told me he had never adjusted the stock or cheek piece since he'd gotten it from the previous shooter!
I asked my other son, too, when we got home and he'd never adjusted his in the year he'd been shooting.

In fact, yesterday my youngest kid tried precision for the first time with a $2,300 "space rifle" and actually did worse than he would have if he would have used his Challenger 2009...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:45 am 
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1.5 lb trigger would put any decent air rifle out of the running. Surprised the T200 can be set that heavy.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:08 am 
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I experimented on a couple of the Crossman Challengers.
You can completely remove the trigger weight adjustment screw and it still never gets light enough to fail the 1.5 pound test.
I've read the same from others...

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