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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:39 am 
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The 2nd printing of the 2017 Rules is now available.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:32 am 
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David. I appreciate you posting this here. Just out of curiosity, have you reviewed this document to see if there are any changes from the first printing. Sure wish they would post the changes so we don't have to read the whole 530+ page document word for word to find the changes.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:47 am 
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Has anyone considered publishing the rules in an easier to use electronic version?
Say an App or help file?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:50 am 
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I save the file in Google Drive. Then it is available on my phone, my tablet and my laptop. And since it is a PDF it is very simple to search.

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "easier to use." I can't imagine anything easier to use that the format it is already in.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:30 pm 
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The >>>BIG<<< change in the rules for rifle:
WOMEN NOW FIRE SAME SHOTS AS MEN!

Air - 60 shots
SBR - 3x40


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:35 pm 
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Marc Orvin wrote:
David. I appreciate you posting this here. Just out of curiosity, have you reviewed this document to see if there are any changes from the first printing. Sure wish they would post the changes so we don't have to read the whole 530+ page document word for word to find the changes.

It was only posted this morning so it's a bit early for a comparison. The ISSF have reported the main changes (which we already knew about anyway).


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:38 pm 
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I had heard of the changes (in number of shots) being considered for the women's events, but did not think they really would do it.

Hooray to them.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:40 pm 
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Marc Orvin wrote:
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "easier to use." I can't imagine anything easier to use that the format it is already in.

Every year I produce a cut down pdf file for the UK Pistol Judges comprising sections 4, 6 & 8 together with a much shorter "quick reference" index, each item of which is linked to the correct page. Each page then has a link back to that index.

Because it's a shorter index you need to know the general organisation of the book.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:47 pm 
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Now it will be easier to tell how the girls beat me =[


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:54 pm 
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Christopher Miceli wrote:
Now it will be easier to tell how the girls beat me =[
my chuckle for the day.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:58 pm 
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Marc Orvin wrote:
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "easier to use." I can't imagine anything easier to use that the format it is already in.


I do manuals or a living.
Crossrefences, indexes, single issue pages/topics. There's a reason that good software or products give you help files or some other form of interactive manuals and software or products trying to cheap out just give you the paper manuals in PDF.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:07 pm 
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ISSF Rules Changes for 2018-2020 approved
Summary of important changes found in the ISSF Official Statutes, Rules and Regulations, Second Print 01/2018, that can be downloaded from the ISSF website.

The ISSF Administrative Council has just approved rules changes that will go into effect on January 1st, 2018. A new Second Print 01/2018 version of the ISSF Official Statutes, Rules and Regulations will govern all ISSF Championships for 2018 though the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. The ISSF Constitution designates the Administrative Council, a 35-person body elected by the General Assembly or appointed by Continental Confederations, as the ISSF body that is responsible for “approval of technical rules for shooting events.”

Rules changes include technical rules for the new Mixed Team events that were needed to implement International Olympic Committee (IOC) decisions regarding the Olympic Shooting Program for Tokyo 2020 and the June 25th 2017 Extraordinary General Assembly decision to accept those changes. One significant rule change adopted by the Council is an increase in the numbers of shots in women’s shooting events so they will now be the same as the men’s events. This decision reflects the ISSF’s commitment to the IOC Agenda 2020 goal of gender equality in sports. Rules changes also include many, mostly minor changes to resolve interpretation issues or to address questions received by the ISSF concerning the rules.

The complete ISSF Official Statutes, Rules and Regulations, Second Print 01/2018 can be downloaded from the ISSF website at http://www.issf-sports.org/theissf/rules.ashx. Here is a summary of important changes found in this revised edition:

10m Air Rifle and 10m Air Pistol Mixed Team Rules. A new section 6.18 was added to the General Technical Rules to provide technical rules for these events. National federations will be allowed to enter a maximum of two Mixed Teams, each with one male athlete and one female athlete. In the Qualification, each team member will shoot 40 shots in a 50-minute time limit. The top five teams will advance to the Final. The Final begins with each team member shooting three 5-shot series. The Final continues with each team member shooting single shots. During both the 5-shot series and single shots, team members must alternate firing shots. Eliminations take place after both team members have fired 17, 19 and 21 shots. The remaining two teams continue until each team member has fired 24 shots and the gold and silver medal winners are determined. The detailed rules are published in the Rule Book.

Trap Mixed Team Rules. A new section 9.19 was added to the Shotgun Rules to provide technical rules for this event. In the Qualification, each member of two-person (one men and one women) national teams will shoot at 75 targets (3 25-target rounds, 150 total targets). The top six teams will advance to the Final. In the Final, team members, in the order designated by the team coach, will alternate in shooting series of five targets. After all teams have fired at 25 targets, the 6th place team is eliminated. Eliminations will continue after 30, 35 and 40 targets. The remaining two teams will shoot two additional five-target sequences for a total of 50 targets to decide the gold and silver medal winners. The detailed rules are published in the Rule Book.

Equal Numbers of Shots for Women and Men. Starting on January 1st 2018, all shooting events will have the same numbers of shots for men and women. The new rules provide that:

Women’s 10m Air Rifle and Air Pistol events will increase from 40 shots to 60 shots.
Women’s 50m and 300m Rifle 3 Positions events will increase from 3x20 shots to 3x40 shots (60 to 120 shots).
Women’s Trap and Skeet events will increase from 75 targets to 125 targets.
The Women’s Running Target event will increase from 40 shots to 60 shots.
All Women’s Junior events will have the same increases as women.
The 25m Pistol Women (and Women Junior) event will continue as a 60 shot event (30 + 30 shots).
These changes will be in effect at all 2018 ISSF Championships including World Cups, Junior World Cups, Continental Championships and the World Championship in Changwon, Korea.

ISSF Recognized Shooting Events. New tables with detailed information about ISSF recognized events were added to section 6.0 of the General Technical Rules.

Shotgun Shotshell Inspection. The rules were clarified to ensure that the use of colored wads would result in a warning while the use of overweight shot charges (<24.5 g) will continue to result in disqualification.

Skeet Marker Tape Checking. A new method of checking skeet marker tape locations was adopted.

Side Blinders for Shotgun Athletes. Shotgun athletes only are authorized to use side blinders because of safety concerns in those events. Side blinders may now extend up to 30 mm forward of the “center point of the forehead.”

Interpretations and Corrections. The newly approved rules changes include many amendments to address issues or clarify intent, but that do not change the original intent of the rules.

National Federation officials, competition officials, coaches and athletes are urged to download the new rules so they can work with the most recent ISSF Rules edition. National Federations that publish rules in their language should contact ISSF Headquarters to request a special version of the rules where all changes are marked. Anyone with questions or comments about the new rules should also contact ISSF Headquarters.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:51 pm 
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And Finals:
I believe ISSF now only have Finals Rules for Olympic Events i.e. Air & 3P, Men & Women
i.e. no Mens Prone finals
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:16 am 
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Christopher Miceli wrote:
Now it will be easier to tell how the girls beat me =[


This is the kind of ego that took women a century before they can compete with us on the same level.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:50 am 
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Olympic Dreamer wrote:
Christopher Miceli wrote:
Now it will be easier to tell how the girls beat me =[


This is the kind of ego that took women a century before they can compete with us on the same level.



pretty sure woman and men both shot 40 shot originally.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:42 am 
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Is the palm rest restriction of 200mm new in 50m? I dont remember it.

Somebody is still going to have to explain some of the weight rules. Especially what fundamental shape of the stock means. The stock i believe can be 60mm wide. If the buttstock on a fwb 700 is 20mm wide can i add weight to the side of the buttstock as long as it stays under 60mm? Or does the width have to stay under 20mm as that is the shape of 'this specific' stock?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:14 am 
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redschietti wrote:
Is the palm rest restriction of 200mm new in 50m? I dont remember it.

It was there 01/01/2001. I would have to go back to paper versions of the rules if you wanted to check earlier.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:25 am 
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Congratulations to the ISSF on making events more similar between the genders where they have.

Would like to know the reason for those events that still have course of fire differences.

Shame remains on the ISSF for those events that are still one gender only. Hope the gender barriers are eliminated shortly in:
300m standard rifle
25m rapid fire pistol
25m center fire pistol
25m standard pistol
50m pistol
50m running target
50m running target mixed

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:21 pm 
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Olympic Dreamer wrote:
Christopher Miceli wrote:
Now it will be easier to tell how the girls beat me =[


This is the kind of ego that took women a century before they can compete with us on the same level.

Pretty sure that was tongue in cheek comment.

We've been saying for years that given the opportunity to shoot the same Course of fire that women would hold their own or (IMO) shoot higher scores than the men. Wait a year until the training methodologies and mental adjustments of the course of fire fall into place and we'll see.....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:10 pm 
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jhmartin wrote:
We've been saying for years that given the opportunity to shoot the same Course of fire that women would hold their own or (IMO) shoot higher scores than the men. Wait a year until the training methodologies and mental adjustments of the course of fire fall into place and we'll see.....


My prediction: Women will match the men in air rifle but not in air pistol.


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