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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:16 am 
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Is this wrist-hugging grip permissible in ISSF/Olympic comp? https://youtu.be/Nw1I5MjkQQk?t=34m15s


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:39 am 
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I learned many years ago that you cannot be 100% sure of the legality of a grip from a photograph.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:15 am 
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The Pardini grips I have seen in competition have the palm supported but not the wrist.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:17 am 
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The Pardini grips I have seen in competition have the palm supported but not the wrist. Here is a somewhat sharper pic version.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:32 am 
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As I said, photographs can give the wrong impression.

Looking at the stickers, I doubt whether that many EC officers will all have got it wrong.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:10 am 
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This is the correct grip that supports the palm only (not the wrist), as far as I can tell from a photograph.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:52 am 
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In my understanding of the rules, the black line in the accompanying illustration delineates the wrist joint in which no part of the grip can go beyond. Gort


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:05 am 
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In that case this pic shows a beyond the black line (wrist) support grip configuration, or not? Screen shot shown grabbed from here: https://youtu.be/qBqJhOKH0dw?t=13m30s


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:28 am 
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OK, I'll say it. IMO, the grip in question is illegal (beyond the wrist). And I don't care how many stickers it sports, or the status the stickers imply.

I think the picture below is being generous to the shooter, too.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:16 am 
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I agree that it does not look legit.

This pic (below) shows what the legit grip and wrist support ought to look like, despite the heavy customization. Source: https://youtu.be/7IXdx13v4mo?t=22m52s


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:57 pm 
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Check the last couple of posts on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35843&hilit=Rule&start=40


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:34 pm 
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Unfortunately many people try to game the system (cheat). Rules are in place to keep the the playing field level. When officials are not vigilant on rule enforcement the system breaks down. Things like the dimension box or the trigger pull are easier to regulate, they are pass/fail. Regulation of the wrist joint location is more ambiguous. Officials need more anatomical training (of the wrist) and enforcement mandates from the ISSF. Gort


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:38 pm 
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Gort wrote:
Unfortunately many people try to game the system (cheat). Rules are in place to keep the the playing field level. When officials are not vigilant on rule enforcement the system breaks down. Things like the dimension box or the trigger pull are easier to regulate, they are pass/fail. Regulation of the wrist joint location is more ambiguous. Officials need more anatomical training (of the wrist) and enforcement mandates from the ISSF. Gort



It will never happen. Especially if the top 30 shooters get DQ. And I dont mean Dairy Queen either.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:43 pm 
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would a fellow competitor need to challenge the grip?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:59 pm 
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I suspect that the grip in question is "legal" when held out straight. In the raised shooting position, the action is tilted downward relative to the wrist. The bottom of the grip is pivoting to the rear and now it's questionable. It's certainly borderline, but it's hard to see exactly where the wrist "breaks" in the photo.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:47 pm 
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The only real way to check at equiptment control is to get the shooter to fit the pistol into his
hand in a shooting position and see if the wrist can be tilted up and down to a full range of movement.
If the wrist is supported little or no downward angle below the normal firing angle can be achieved.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:53 am 
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This seems to have passed inspection, from here: https://youtu.be/VlXEsdjGVNs?t=19m51s


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:54 am 
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This one as well: https://youtu.be/I89rcMvytH8?t=9m35s


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:16 am 
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Crete wrote:
This seems to have passed inspection, from here: https://youtu.be/VlXEsdjGVNs?t=19m51s



Geeze!!!! that looks like a free pistol grip!!

NO WAY that should of passed. EC and the competitor do not pass the smell test on this one.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:08 am 
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I have a large collection of curio grip pics, but I'm sure that you've got the big picture already.


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