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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:18 pm 
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Gonna give the 10meter men's airpistol and free pistol a serious go next year. Having shot bullseye for the last 2 years I have a good feel for the game, how events are run, and the social aspect of it. How do the larger matches on the international displines feel? I got the basic rules down and how much time I have to get my 60 shots in.

Just don't want to show up and be a complete ass hat. Is it a very social event like bullseye? Maybe off the firing line?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:40 pm 
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Having shot anything like bullseye you will not be much out of your turf in the ISSF disciplines.

Take a look at our host's coaching section:

http://www.pilkguns.com/menu_coaching.shtml/

Then have a couple of bitters with the guys in the firing line. They will teach you everything you need to start and improve.

That is only valid for pistol matches. Try it with the rifle heads and they will fill a complain about you with the range officer.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:33 pm 
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Christopher Miceli wrote:
I got the basic rules down and how much time I have to get my 60 shots in.


When my club hosted air pistol sectionals there was a non-firing prep period, then one hour and forty-five minutes for unlimited sighters and sixty shots for record. Targets were on a hand cranked trolley and you changed your own targets, one shot per bull.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:39 pm 
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Rule change.


10m Air Pistol Men event

The 10m Air Pistol Men is an International Shooting Sport Federation shooting event, where athletes shoot over a distance of 10 meters / 10.94 yards in standing position, using a 4.5 millimeters / 0.177 inches caliber air pistol with a maximum weight of 1.5 kilograms / 3,31 libbers.

The center of the target is positioned at 1.4 meters above the floor and its total diameter measures 155.5 millimeters. The diameter of the fourth ring is 107.5 millimeters, while the tenth ring measures 11.5 millimeters.

Qualification round

During the qualification round every 10m Air Pistol Men competitor has to fire 60 shots within 1 hour and 15 minutes. The qualifications are scored in integer points, with the maximum score per shot being 10 points, and the maximum qualification score being 600 points.

Final round

The top-eight athletes from the qualification phase advance to the final match, where they can shoot up to 20 final shots.

The maximum score for each shot is still 10.9 points, because of an additional set of 10 rings within the 10-point circle that increases the score of 0.1 points as it approaches the center of the target. This sets the highest possible score at 218.0 points.

The eight finalists start the match with 0 points: the qualification score is not carried forward into the final round.

The final begins with two series of 3 shots, to be fired within 150 seconds, followed by 14 single shots to be fired on command and within 50 seconds. After the eighth final shot, the athlete with the lowest aggregate score is eliminated from the final and places 8th. Any following elimination is determined every 2 shots until the Gold and Silver medallists are decided by the 20th and conclusive shot.

If there is a tie for the lowest ranking athlete to be eliminated, the tied athletes will fire additional tie-breaking single shots until the tie is broken.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:30 pm 
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deadeyedick wrote:
Rule change.


10m Air Pistol Men event

The 10m Air Pistol Men is an International Shooting Sport Federation shooting event, where athletes shoot over a distance of 10 meters / 10.94 yards in standing position, using a 4.5 millimeters / 0.177 inches caliber air pistol with a maximum weight of 1.5 kilograms / 3,31 libbers.

The center of the target is positioned at 1.4 meters above the floor and its total diameter measures 155.5 millimeters. The diameter of the fourth ring is 107.5 millimeters, while the tenth ring measures 11.5 millimeters.

Qualification round

During the qualification round every 10m Air Pistol Men competitor has to fire 60 shots within 1 hour and 15 minutes. The qualifications are scored in integer points, with the maximum score per shot being 10 points, and the maximum qualification score being 600 points.

Final round

The top-eight athletes from the qualification phase advance to the final match, where they can shoot up to 20 final shots.

The maximum score for each shot is still 10.9 points, because of an additional set of 10 rings within the 10-point circle that increases the score of 0.1 points as it approaches the center of the target. This sets the highest possible score at 218.0 points.

The eight finalists start the match with 0 points: the qualification score is not carried forward into the final round.

The final begins with two series of 3 shots, to be fired within 150 seconds, followed by 14 single shots to be fired on command and within 50 seconds. After the eighth final shot, the athlete with the lowest aggregate score is eliminated from the final and places 8th. Any following elimination is determined every 2 shots until the Gold and Silver medallists are decided by the 20th and conclusive shot.

If there is a tie for the lowest ranking athlete to be eliminated, the tied athletes will fire additional tie-breaking single shots until the tie is broken.


Dick:

You need to update. Now the final round is 24 shots, the two 3-shot series in 150 seconds replaced by two 5-shot series in 250 seconds, the rest stands unmodified.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:35 pm 
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My point was more related to the 1 hour 45 min as opposed to the new 1 hour 15 min for the match.
I copied it from the ISSF website and paid no attention to the finals section.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:11 am 
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Hey SWAG, what air pistol did you get?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:23 am 
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deadeyedick wrote:
My point was more related to the 1 hour 45 min as opposed to the new 1 hour 15 min for the match.

It's not a direct comparison.

Under the old rules, pre 2013, you had 1 hour 45 minutes for unlimited sighters and the 60 match shots.

Since January 2013 the 1 hour 15 minutes only covers the 60 match shots.

That is preceded by 15 minutes preparation and sighting time during which you can fire unlimited sighters.

The athletes are called to the line at least 15 minutes before the preparation and sighting time. During this time they can carry out aiming exercises and dry fire. A release of the propelling charge of gas during this period will earn a yellow card warning for the first time and green card 2 point deduction for each subsequent time.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:31 am 
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It was not meant to be a comparison direct or in any other way only to point out that the rules had changed from what was written by GOVTMODEL.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:35 am 
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David Levene wrote:
deadeyedick wrote:
My point was more related to the 1 hour 45 min as opposed to the new 1 hour 15 min for the match.

It's not a direct comparison.

Under the old rules, pre 2013, you had 1 hour 45 minutes for unlimited sighters and the 60 match shots.

Since January 2013 the 1 hour 15 minutes only covers the 60 match shots.

That is preceded by 15 minutes preparation and sighting time during which you can fire unlimited sighters.

The athletes are called to the line at least 15 minutes before the preparation and sighting time. During this time they can carry out aiming exercises and dry fire. A release of the propelling charge of gas during this period will earn a yellow card warning for the first time and green card 2 point deduction for each subsequent time.

You are only mentioning electronic targets.

On paper targets you still have an inicial 15 minutes for preparation and sighting, plus 1h30m to complete the 60 match shots.

Air pistol/rifle
Eletronic Targets
Men
15m preparation and sighting
1h15m match - 60 shots
Women
15 preparation and sighting
45m match - 40 Shots

Air pistol/rifle
Paper Targets
Men
15m preparation and sighting
1h30m match - 60 shots
Women
15 preparation and sighting
1h match - 40 Shots

Hope this helps


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:54 am 
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rmca wrote:
You are only mentioning electronic targets.

On paper targets you still have an inicial 15 minutes for preparation and sighting, plus 1h30m to complete the 60 match shots.


You are, of course, correct. In the UK the vast majority of big nominated matches are shot on ESTs so I tend to forget about paper.

Don't forget though that, even on paper, you get a minimum 15 minutes before prep & sighting for setting up and dry firing. Some match organisers try to forget that, but it's an entitlement.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:52 am 
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ghillieman wrote:
Hey SWAG, what air pistol did you get?


It's either going to be the lp400 carbon or 162ei, a couple nearby shooters have them for me to pull the trigger on....to bad no ones left handed :( the lp400


Thanks for the input people, the local club here follows the NRA rules so I need to brush up on those as well


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:53 am 
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There's not much difference. The NRA rules were cloned from the ISSF rules. However, expect to shoot about 5 shots per target. That seems to be pretty common.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:46 am 
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Christopher Miceli wrote:
ghillieman wrote:
Hey SWAG, what air pistol did you get?

It's either going to be the lp400 carbon or 162ei, a couple nearby shooters have them for me to pull the trigger on....to bad no ones left handed :( the lp400
Thanks for the input people, the local club here follows the NRA rules so I need to brush up on those as well


Hi Chris, Let me toss this into the mix. Hammerli AP20 (entry level air pistol) can be had for under $1000. (Larry's or I think Pilk may carry them) The grip is changeable left or right handed.
There is a young man in my club who placed 2nd only to me. He has his set up for left handed. The club has another one that many people use. Very adjustable and even fits my club paws well. I've shot into the 280's (of 300) with it more than once.

If you make it to Ohio again give me a shout and I'll break out the club guns for you to try.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:43 am 
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Chris,

I have an LP10 mechanical that has a mostly stock grip if you want to try it sometime. I've shot the 162-EI and it is NICE. I may know where there is a used one that was basically used only for dryfire and SCATT use for the last 10 years.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:50 am 
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Dan,

Do you guys have regular 10m matches in OH?


Mike Davis


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:55 am 
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Yes, mostly in the winter but yes we have a couple places that do international events.
I run a weekly air pistol league in Mount Vernon. No prizes, just bragging rights but cheap.
Are you in Ohio? Where?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:10 am 
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Actually I am 2 hours farther away than Chris in Central Virginia. I just wondered about what was available elsewhere. I think that the only way we will have airgun in this area is if I do it. And that's a stretch with running Bullseye, shooting two winter 22 leagues and one Summer league, Running a 2x per month summer league, and shooting High Power.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:43 pm 
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jmdavis wrote:
Actually I am 2 hours farther away than Chris in Central Virginia. I just wondered about what was available elsewhere. I think that the only way we will have airgun in this area is if I do it. And that's a stretch with running Bullseye, shooting two winter 22 leagues and one Summer league, Running a 2x per month summer league, and shooting High Power.



I am lucky in northern VA found a 23 lane 10 meter air pistol/rifle range it's mostly high schoolers practicing but they run 1 league pistol match a month. Another club local runs a winter air pistol league and has an NRA sectional


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